Karl Rove says he's proud to be a war criminal, thus shaming all war criminals

roveI wasn’t able to post over the last two days due to other obligations, but it’s good to return to the Internet and see Karl Rove saying he’s “proud” that the US engaged in war crimes [h/t SM]. 

In a BBC interview, Karl Rove, who was known as “Bush’s brain”, said he “was proud we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists”.

(And just to reiterate, waterboarding is torture.  Any reluctance by any media outlets to call it as such is the height of irresponsibility.)  

To put Rove’s quote in context, he also seems like the kind of guy who would be “proud” that his jungle juice was so full of sugar that first-year college girls couldn’t taste the alcohol.  So, you know, no surprise that he’s a monster. 

Rove’s new-found war crime pride, though revolting in and of itself, is more important when put into recent context around US torture policy.  Deranged Killer and Respected Pundit Dick Cheney recently paraded around on the television, telling the world how thrilled he is that the Bush Administration waterboarded suspected (not his word) terrorists, mocking Eric Holder and the DOJ by admitting that he committed war crimes.  As Andrew Sullivan noted at the time [h/t FDL]:

In fact, the attorney general of the United States is legally obliged to prosecute someone who has openly admitted such a war crime or be in violation of the Geneva Conventions and the UN Convention on Torture. For Eric Holder to ignore this duty subjects him too to prosecution. If the US government fails to enforce the provision against torture, the UN or a foreign court can initiate an investigation and prosecution.

These are not my opinions and they are not hyperbole. They are legal facts. Either this country is governed by the rule of law or it isn’t. Cheney’s clear admission of his central role in authorizing waterboarding and the clear evidence that such waterboarding did indeed take place means that prosecution must proceed.

Again, it’s no surprise that Cheney and Rove remain the leading voices justifying their own crimes.  That’s what any thinking person would expect from them, which is exactly why progressives have been pushing Holder to open investigations and hold prosecutions of Bush officials if the evidence warrants it — which it certainly seems like it does.  The bloodthirsty right will continue to call for more torture as long as there are no consequences, and, to the contrary, those criminals continue to be treated as respected public figures.

Both Cheney and Rove’s admissions of authorizing torture coincide with a new trend, a kind of revisionist history arguing that the Bush administration might have been pretty good — especially concerning Iraq.  Those who engage in this practice are likely to be those who have the most to gain from a rewriting of history, and their opinions should be weighed appropriately. 

And let’s not forget about the pressure being put on Eric Holder to move the so-called 9/11 trials out of New York City, out of civilian courts, and into military commissions.  As Anthony Romero of the ACLU writes:

Unlike the military commissions, which fail to ensure basic due process guaranteed by U.S. and international law, our federal courts are capable of handling sensitive security issues while preserving American principles of justice and fairness. Our federal courts have successfully tried and convicted more than 300 international defendants on terrorism crimes — before and after 9/11.   

One of the many dangers of Obama’s multi-tiered justice system, as Greenwald has repeatedly argued, is that unprincipled waffling between “we respect the rule of law” and “some accused terrorists are too dangerous to let go even though we can’t convict them” makes consistency impossible.  Why try some accused terrorists in civilian courts if not all?  The Cheneys and Roves out there can simply say, “Even Obama knows that some (accused) terrorists are too dangerous to try in civilian courts” and what does the Obama DOJ have to respond with?  And as the past two months have shown, Cheney and Rove and the anti-rule-of-law Neocon Right aren’t going anywhere, and media outlets will continue to venerate them as though they deserve it.   

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14 Responses to Karl Rove says he's proud to be a war criminal, thus shaming all war criminals

  1. Kim Lancaster says:

    Karl Rove needs to be frog stepped to the big house along with a few others from the Bush administration. The brazen arrogance and assuption of impunity coming from Cheney, Rove, etc. is a stain on our national and international standing. The rest of the world outnumbers the US by a ratio of 20 to 1. We should start acting like neighbors, not bullies.

  2. Jerry Lanson says:

    John,
    You are right on the money here, not only about Rove but on the Republicans latest push to revise history.” Iraq was a good war. Waterboarding keeps us safe. Eric Holder is coddling al-Qaeda in the Department of Justice.” I think it behooves us all to watch for the modern-day parallel to McCarthyism. It’s been almost exactly 60 years since the Wisconsin senator announced in Wheeling, W. Va., that he had a list of 205 communists in the State Department. That began five miserable years of slander and innuendo that wrecked many lives. Now we’ve got Liz Cheney and her organization’s “al-Qaeda 7” in the Justice Department, Marc Thiessen promoting his new book, Rove and Cheney speaking out and a lot of noise from conservative columnists. I predict this campaign is just gearing up.

  3. kenmcgowan says:

    I’m curious.

    What ever happened to Vincent Bugliosi initiative to prosecute George Bush for murder? http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/

    Why didn’t this initiative gain any traction in the US? Bugliosi seems to make a compelling case for Bush to go to trial.

    Could it be reluctance of America to prosecute Bush for war crimes that emboldens the like of Karl Rove to take pride in his war crimes?

  4. dougem says:

    If Eric Holder doesn’t have the courage to take these thugs off the street then I hope somebody in the world community does. They are not just an embarrassment to the USA but the precedent they set makes the world a more dangerous place. Bush, Cheney and their underlings need to have a cells next to the other war criminals of the day.

  5. rtb61 says:

    Of course Karl Rove takes pride in what he has done. The typical sociopath point of view, he feels empowered by the depravity he has helped to create, by the fear and hate he has helped to ferment and, by the pain, suffering and death he has indirectly inflicted upon thousands of human beings.
    To say he is lying about what he achieved is wrong, he has fed his ego upon the blood of thousands and, generated millions of dollars in personal profit while doing so, now that is a real rush for a natural born psychopath.
    It is not his failing, it is ours, he should long ago have been confined as a patient in an asylum and never have been allowed to become a behind the scenes political manipulator.

  6. Zaid Jilani says:

    One way to make these folks shut up is to prosecute some of them. Not that we’ll see Cheney behind bars any time soon, but just saying.

  7. andylevinson says:

    Like Obama really gives a crap about war crime laws , or any law……at this moment he is planning some devious way to make all 25 million(illegal aliens) federal law breakers citizens of the U.S…..pelosi, reid, obama are pissing on our Constitution in their obsessive quest to nationalize the U.S. health system….and their other obsessive quest to tax us for every breath we take…….and you all really think he gives a crap about pushing some terrorists head under water?

  8. conradelledge says:

    First Karl had thought to say he was proud of his manly good looks and his amazing natural athletic abilities and then he thought no one could ever believe that outrageous pile of garbage so he switched over to how neat it was to be a war criminal and to commit crimes against humanity while destroying the most noble aspects of the American experiment in governance.

    Later, off camera he completely broke down and confessed his utter shame and wish that he could be punished swiftly for all the horrible things he had done. He pointed out his only reason he kept spewing his venom was to bring about the retribution he rightly deserved. He confided his fear that society did not bother to punish him because he simply was not worth even the scorn of his fellow man. After it all, he was really just nothing–empty and meaningless.

    Conrad C. Elledge

  9. scottchaffee says:

    Does anyone besides me believe that the reason these a-holes are not being indicted right now is because they have threatened to go public with information that could start a civil war or worse if Holder gets within sniffing distance? Anybody? Obama is a constitutional professor! He knows these idjits should be brought to trial! But now they are behaving like Frat boys who know who is sleeping with the Dean’s wife. They are rubbing Obama’s nose in it.

    • You don’t need conspiracy theories to answer this question.

      The simple fact is, it’s extremely difficult to prosecute men who are as rich and connected as these guys.

      The laws don’t dispense justice equally across income-levels. Take Kevin Garn for example (that’s the representative from Utah who got in a hot tub naked with a 15-year old). Has he been prosecuted criminally? Nope – and he never will be. Now imagine if instead of a rich white poltician, that had been a poor black man who got in that hot tub. How do you think that would’ve gone down?

      Yep – statutory rape conviction.

  10. andylevinson says:

    He is coming up this way to the Reagan Lieberry and for a book signing at the local Borders if you want to meet the Deranged Killer in person

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